Abbott silent since carbon campaign 'hit brick wall': Swan

Is that the same carbon dioxide tax the both you and Ju-liar said the Australian voters would never be getting, Labor you are a disgrace and the damage you are doing to this country will never ever be forgotten.

Mr Swan, you are a lying, corrupt, intelectual pygmy that never answers a question just likje your lying leader. I have a small business that employs 12 people. Our power bill has gon up $1000 a month and putting 1kg of gas in a small chest freezer cost $400 instead of $170 thanks to your carbon dioxide tax. Absolutely nothing will change in relation to carbon dioxide emissions only me losing more and more money. I have customers hitting the wall and unable to pay because of your policies, ruining lives and causing heartache for thousands and you have the gall to pick on Tony Abbott for being a lousy speaker and trying to pick on something from 1977!! The damage you have done and continue to do to this country is going to cause grief for generations!!

Perhaps Wayne Swan should get on with his job of Treasurer, instead of trying to create distractions in the media on the poor performance of this Labor Government. The voters will get their say on election day on the failed policies of this rabble; the wasted surplus, the massive debt, the lies and broken promises, the pandering to the loopy Greens, a carbon dioxide tax that has nothing to do with the environment, the decline in investment, the selling-off of the land, their failed border security policy and the lost lives at sea, their failed IR policy and the power and freedom given to the Unions to bully companies, the pressures placed on families to manage rising living costs and the failure of the "Best Treasurer in the World" to deliver a surplus, at the expense of middle class Australians, just to stroke his ego be the first Labor Treasurer to do so. Yes Wayne Swan, I am sure the voters will have long memories of your how the Gillard/Rudd Government managed this Country's economy at the next Federal Election!

Phillip James, I think you need to distance your self from Mr Abbott's lies about the carbon tax, if he can't substantiate them why should we believe you can? Either you are loopy like Graeme, the next letter after you or you are lying to us as we all know that at this stage you have paid no extra at all for the Carbon Tax, - Power bills have increased mainly because power companies have not spent money on infrastructure but now have to, there is also a bit of inflation, and a small bit of carbon tax the which you have been re-imbursed for. Your refrigerant gas is not carbon dioxide but the extra cost on that is because the hole in the ozone layer has not been fixed because careless fridge owners -possibly you are one? are letting those gases escape. - Should I blame my skin cancer on you? I would be impressed if Mr Abbott would cancel the GST, - ten times bigger than the carbon tax and Howard also promised he would not put it if he was elected, - we all know politicians lie, - get over it and look at policies and what is happening all over the world with carbon dioxide reduction. It may not be long before countries will demand our exports be guaranteed Carbon emission compensated, - then we would be hanging our heads in shame for those idiots that voted for Abbott.

Geoff Thomas. which countries are you talking about it won't be China Japan America Canada England Indonesia Malaysia Thailand Greece Spain India etc etc etc (not even PNG)there goes most of the worlds population. what a lot of dribble )

Hi Alan of Howaliar, Mr Howards friend, as usual you are un-informed, - China is instituting a Carbon Tax very similiar to the mild one we have in Oz, in the USA, there is a group of states, inc. California, a huge economy, India has a tax, Japan is instituting one, UK has an item specific one but is part of Europe which has big and growing one, well over the majority of the world's population, - please refer to http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/Factbox-Carbon-taxes-around-the-world and please don't come onto the Internet believing your personal prejudices have any reality, there is a very real danger that like now you will be proved a fool, and if you take your insanity to the ballot box as well you will do even more damage to the rest of us and why? - so your used by date conditioning can express it's knee jerk self? Is that all you are? With PNG I wonder just how responsible our period of governence is for the long period of corruption only possibly now reducing, due to Peter O'Neils efforts we may even see a small carbon tax there as well, I speak from personal talk.

Geoff, As I said, just stop your silly dribble

Alan of Howarliar, your dribbling is damaging the furniture, - if you can't take the heat, get out of the oven, - I note you have not had the time to read the list of countries with carbon amelioration policies, I provided you with the link, read it or stop wasting our time. There is no prize for ignorance, nor churlishness, get your self informed, for all our sakes.

Geoff Thomas, I don't recall saying that I will vote for Abbott or any other specific person or political party, I make my own mind up based on the needs of the majority, not the minority. Climate change whether you like it or not, is a natural phenomena controlled by the sun and the impact of carbon dioxide on climate change is NOT a proven science... you might be better informed if you try reading a broader scope of information on this topic, other than the selective material chosen to support the personal agendas of Al Gore, Tim Flannery or Will Steffen. It appears you are one of the unfortunate brainwashed individuals that is being led like sheep on their crusade. As for me being "loopy" I think you might have incriminated yourself in that respect, with your half truths and ramblings.

Hey Geoff Thomas, If you'd care to post your email address I'll send you a copy of my bills. Most of my power used is off peak @2.5 cent/Kwh. The Carbon dioxide tax is charged to us @2.1 cents/Kwh. My powere bill was usually around $55000pa charged monthly, so you do the math. Don't go around calling honest people liars just because the truth doesn't fit with your ill informed opinions. As far as refrigerant goes this is copied from an information sheet on the subject...The introduction of the carbon tax on refrigerants from 1 July this year will have a significant impact on the industry, although perhaps not in the fashion the Government had intended. Don't call me a liar, that's Wayne, Juliar and your style, not mine.

Hi Graeme, when you insult someone else it is because you have run out of truth, hence when you called some other party Loopy, it is really a judgement of yourself so I was just using the name you had unwittingly chosen for your self, - no offence, it was your decision. Glad to hear you make up your own mind, personally speaking I have been aware of the possibility of Climate Change from the late 80's, widely research it, and to my dismay, bit by bit the fears have turned into realities, - fortunately not as quickly as the extreme tree huggers are now claiming but inexorably. Mr Chamberlain "I have here a piece of paper" claimed there was no proof Hitler would invade Poland, he was wrong, likewise the Americans could not believe their own radar as the Japanese planes approached Pearl Harbour, this sort of Ostrich behaviour is not sensible, - fair enough, you are not sure about Global Warming, (let's call a spade a spade) in fact it is impossible to prove that the sun will come up tomorrow morning, but sheer common sense will argue that you can take precautions, probably the sun will come up, so you might as well set your alarm clock so you will not be late for work, if you study climate science, there is definite evidence of trends, gradual global temperature rises, small but worldwide sea level rising, satellite measurements that more heat is coming in to the earth than going out, most Glaciers decreased or gone, - it is like solving a crime, - legwork, the probabilities are stronger (some would argue hugely stronger) that indeed we may be looking at some serious brown stuff in the future, - or more likely our grand children, and I am not ashamed to say I love my grandchildren and want to be sure we don't stuff up the world so they live a life of misery. The article above we are commenting on is really about that Tony Abbott predicted "holocaust" if the carbon tax came in, it didn't happen, is highly unlikely to happen, the majority of the world's population is now moving towards or doing significant carbon reduction, - if only on the precautionary principle, and I suggest you look at recent Insurance company policies, not insult careful intelligent folk such as myself with epithets such as "sheep", but instead leave your prejudices to one side and try to get all the facts before weighing them with your scales made from before you got the now facts. No half truths or ramblings from this little black duck, just seasoned objective research. - About time you did some as well.

Hi Phillip, you were the one who threw the word liar into the ring, read your post, I am simply giving it back to the originator, - Lesson, don't use insults in debates, it muddies the water and has nothing to do with truth. With your electricity bill, I am happy to look a it, my email is wind@iig.com.au but I think you have made a typo, the rest of us pay 20 to 30cents/kWh, if you are only paying 2.5 cents/Kwh we are subsidising you very very heavily and want to know why! I notice you call me ill informed but in fact you have not refuted my claim that your refrigerant gas is not carbon dioxide, nor that folk in the refrigeration industry have been so slack that skin cancer is still rising, - that those refrigerant gases are also virulent greenhouse gases is another whole issue, and I am not going to call you dishonest, but I think you now need to explain why you want to vent these both cancer causing and greenhouse causing gases into the atmosphere we all breath without taking responsibility for your acts, - to pull back a bit, is that what you are doing? - I will be very happy if it is not.

Geoff, I would suggest that you turn of your computer now, and save emitting so called "Carbon" if you are so worried about it. Also, if you actually do some proper research for a change, instead of making up stupid dribble, you may find out that John Howard actually went to the election saying that he WOULD implement a GST - he had in fact changed his mind before the election occurred, unlike Julia, who said "there will not be a carbon tax under the government I lead", less than a week before the election.

Thanks Geoff for your kind words of wisdom and neither you, I, our grandchildren or their grandchildren x 5 will ever know the outcome, so I wouldn't get too emotional about this subject. It is all about adaptation Geoff and just a pity that there has been no debate on this subject and it has become a political not an environmental issue for this Country. History will be the defining factor on whether or not penalising Australia's competitiveness in global markets was the right or wrong decision at this time, when we produce less than 1% of global carbon dioxide (by the way carbon is a naturally occuring element essential for all living things on this planet)and yes, I am aware per capita, we the minnows in terms of populations in the world, are one of the highest producers of carbon dioxide. Well unfortunately "little black duck", I have a small business to run and employees that depend on my business being profitable and well managed, so I have to leave the discussion at that...

Before I go Geoff, sorry "little black duck" having been a qualfied Refrigeration Technician for 24 years in my prior career, you can sleep easy tonight in knowing that flurocarbon refrigerants haven't been used in the HVAC Industry for approximately 15-20 years now and it is against the law to deliberatley release flurocarbons into the atmosphere. The refrigerants used today are not ozone depleting and if you do some research, you will find that the "hole in the ozone layer" in the southern hemisphere has been closed for a number of years and while Australia does have a serious problem with skin cancer and melanoma, commonsense and duty of care will play a big part in preventing you getting skin cancers... cheers.

Thanks Graeme for the update on refrigeration, I was aware of the legislation, but had also heard stories of air conditioning companies flouting that legislation. No doubt old fridges in tips and old transformers still in use on the electricity networks are still putting out the nasties, - unfortunately however the hole in the ozone in the Antarctic is still there, - it is shrinking a bit, see for your self. http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Hey again Geoff Thomas. You've obviously never been an employer or run a business, given your comments. There is no typo, the rates you talk of are residential rates for power. Commercial rates are negotiated with power companies and what I quoted is correct.Your ignorance and ill informed opinions are really showing through looking at the information supplied by myself and our fellow posters. As far as the fallout from the carbon tax just wait little man, when small to medium businesses start collapsing and their staff lose their jobs and there's less tax available for the government to waste. Just wait! There are so many more holes to poke in just your last post, I just can't believe it. Suffice it to say you won't listen, you'll never learn, and I'm done wasting time on you.

Oh Phillip James, I would hate to think the other stuff you come out with is of similiar accuracy as your comment that I have never run a business, - I founded my business in the late 80s, and have had no other employment since, although the last couple of years I am building up a farm as well. I do all my own design, supply, bookwork, advertising, importing, - inc. Customs, installations, some design and manufacture of product as well, some times I employ one or two, rarely more, although I have done jobs where I supervised over a dozen. Over all this time, I have rarely seen any effect from the endless changing politicians on my business, - bureaucrats yes, what party is governing, No. I have noticed a syndrome where by the liberal voters always claim the labor Govt. is making it hard for them, but never anything other than fear mongering, not a shred of actual proof. Sometimes the fear mongering does affect confidence, I see Abbott doing that, confidence is much more important than what person you voted for, after all, when you vote you only get a politician. As well as running my business all those years I have also ended up with two beautiful grand children, that is why I despise people who oppose the carbon tax. If you have been following my posts, you will notice that time after time I have given opposing views, often backed by hard evidence, - you had the chance to prove your evidence but you didn't send it to me as you offered so I can confidently assume it was not true. As far as politics is concerned, the two party system in Australia is divisive and nullifies much of the good work done on the Australian constitution by the founding fathers, I would be happy with a few more parties or even better no parties at all as was originally expected. Both current major parties are seriously flawed, neither deserve much support. Times are changing and businesses will go under, it used to be said that car salesmen and insurance salesmen would surely go to hell, now it is said, only if there is room as hell will be chockers with Bankers. Cheers, Geoff.

Well I am a Baby Boomer 1953 vintage and have been running a small business for the last 22 years and also served this country in the Military for many years. I have never seen in my lifetime a government create so many policies that take money from the tax payer and give nothing in return. Magicians call it slight of hand or maybe it would be better described as Smoke and Mirrors. I have heard Julia Gillard say that she is sticking to her UN agenda but her agenda is killing this country, is that also the Agenda of the United Nations ? Maybe, because they sure do a good job of starting wars and killing everyone else that disagrees with their agenda.