Carbon tax still feared – despite poll's findings: Abbott

Research shows that the countries who have fallen for the Climate Change "solution" to Tax on "the air we breathe" are starting to question the impact on their economies. The real impact has not hit Australians yet...BUT IT WILL! Unfortunately the web of deceit can be too complex to unwind and we get stuck with these "goofy" scams and knee jerk reactions to propaganda. Tony Abbott must deliver on his promise and reverse the Tax when the Liberals return to government next year!

The impact to the economy will never truly be identified now that Ju-liar has threatened to set her stormtrooping ACCC onto anyone that whispers a word about "ssshh - carbon tax" so any increases will come in another guise such as increased freight costs - labour costs -raw material costs and the ACCC will go nowhere near these companies and the impact will still be as damaging but Ju-liar will come out smelling of roses instead of the real stench attached to this (dare I mention it -or will I get a knock on the door) CT

Dave, you are still safe (???)...ONLY big brother is watching you! It is still a "free country" tilting fast toward a Police State!...Ouch my leg irons are cutting in again! What is that stench that wafts on our "Carbon saturated" AIR?... Jul-Liar's Carbon Tax (??)

You guys speak like the alternative liar is better. The system is broken until these liars are held fully accountable for their lies. Wake up!

The sooner the whingers get over it the better for our economy. When Sophie Mirrabella complained that it would put up the price of steel by $8 per tonne I thought "you ve obviously got no idea" This is less than a half of one percent of the price. A 1 cent rise in the $A changes the import price by $10/tonne. Tony Abbotts policies will push the $A down anyway so we will actually pay more for steel in this country, as the competition falls away, and our two manufacturers lift their margins. This country lives by its "CLEAN GREEN" image and this carbon abatement scheme will help this. Stop moaning and get a life!!!!!!!

Yes! KMAC, a few percent here and a few percent there...up up, everything goes and gradually we get there...BANG! and there goes the economy! What the "sheep" of this world forget is that every increase leads to a counter increase...not just steel goes up but the cycle starts and the end result is a much bigger rise collectively, 1% on steel finishes up as 1% on the whole car. Remember: 100 x 1% = 100%, chip, chip, chip! Whinger = Realist, and we have a LIFE, but for how long? If we do not stop the continuous cancerous taxes in whatever form or name (Carbon Tax) they come there will be no money left to take home to the kids!

Actually cars have a very low portion of steel these days. A whole lot more plastic and alloy are used. Plastics are produced from non renewables (Oil) Oil prices are volitile at best. A small amount of inflation is probly a good thing. It shore beats the alternative ( people crap themselves at the thought) We are all happier with our property prices rising etc. No tax - no services, you work it out. Give me a strong , stable govt that works for the people of Aust and get rid of the NO NO NO NOOOOO tribe. ( there that should get your blood running!!!)

Glenn, the issue is - what is the truth ? And with all the lies ,backstabs ,vote buying going on who knows ??

Woven into the environmental debate : science, politics, believers, non-believers, spin doctors, and the various levels of concern and corruption is an element of importance to us all. If it were possible to get to the "real" truth on the science, only then could we debate this issue intelligently. After many months of research and analytics I have to one conclusion...man is making a mess of the planet. However, this is where it finishes as a subject. There is no science to suggest we can make a difference to the damage that has been done. We can make a difference to the way we manage the future. The important issue is we should not and cannot allow the government to introduce a Tax to fix Environmental issues. The smart money is on developing incentives for polluting industries to invest and introduce new and improved technologies. This comes with investing in our CSIRO and other research institutes to solve the problems. If you have any knowledge at all on how governments work you will see that a Tax is a Tax and will be exploited and used as a revenue stream to be abused in the future. Levies on existing income Tax to sponsor research are the answer and then we can make them accountable. Creating a new monolith to feed the "big money" is never going to solve our issues with Climate Change, never has and never will!

That would be right KMac -it's gutless wonders like you that are not prepared to question the status Quo that results in people like Ju-liar and her paid thugs treating Taxpayers & Voters like rubbish. Her and her ilk throw out a few coins to people like you and everybody else becomes whingers. Well I along with a large number of other Voters & Taxpayers went to places like Vietnam to fight for the rights of people like you - for what - to be branded whingers because we care about what is happening to our country but don't you worry there are people that will show a bit of fortitude on your behalf. Go back to your cosy little world - be hand fed by extortionists like Ju-liar - we'll pick up the pieces for you .(the only thing you are right about is that yes - people like you do get the blood running ).

Thats right dave, stick it into me for making you think. sorry to make your head hurt, but I for one dont have a concience about Vietnam or any work for that matter. I ve worked at least 80 nhours a week for the past 40 odd years and paid more tax than youve earnt for most of that time. I have never had an issue with it. Its the guys in the Lib party with their fat cat mates who dont carry their weight and whinge and moan about cleaning up their fouled up world that p*ss me off. get over it!!!!!!

Kmac - you sound very much like a ALP or (even worse) Greens member!! It is people like you who vote in Labor governments led by Greens. It is these times that we have the economy has a bad time. Just look at the era under Howard/Costello government. They fought the whole time to try and get out of the mess that Keating left and then only to have all their work completely thrown away by radical retards like Kevin Rudd & Juliar Gillard. Look at NSW, QLD - as soon as Libs get back into power they have to make the hard decisions (of which of course the corrupt and brainless unions complain)to try and get the governemtns back on track. Seriously if you believe in climate change that is a giveaway as to your capacity so get out of this country, and let us have the real leaders Australia needs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Jul-liar faithfuls are coming out now! It's a pity these people play front bar politics and have no idea of a logical or informed perspective. No wonder we are heading down the "economics gurgler" with a following of mindless sheep. Jul-liar can hoodwink these people very easily, if KMAC is an example! Baaaa!

Gents, a reminder to please keep your comments constructive, g-rated, and in particular to avoid personal attacks on others who don't share your views. Please stick to the topic not the individual, calling people an idiot isn't helpful, suggesting you believe they may be uninformed is fine. The debate is healthy and valid, but I'm having to do a fair bit of editing of your comments to keep them within the above guidelines. Apologies for the lecture, hope you understand where we are coming from. Many thanks, Chris

Kmac -if you have been truly working 80 hours a week for fourty years - have a look who's been in government for the best part of that time - !! Looks like you've been on a loser for a long ,long time -and still losing by the sounds of it !! Wake up to yourself -

Well lads I ve voted both ways over the years, but never the greens. I ve also accumulated many millions from hard work, and employ a number of very hard working and conscientious blokes who would probably all want to pull your heads off for the rediculous comments. Each and every one of you would do better to stop the political bullsh*t and get on with your own tasks. Anyone who thinks government will fix their respective lot is terribly mistaken. Government which has two sides always ends up with a for and against instead of common sense. (which is obviously not to common anymore)

Well KMAC -your comments say it all - you have millions and you have your bully boys you can oreder to "rip heads off" no wonder you don't care about the Millions that will be affected by the flow on of this unwarranted & ridiculous carbon tax - as stated "go back to your cozy little world" - others will take up the fight for you .

Dave D, you hit on the truth!...the MIDDLE GROUND is the only hope we have of working toward sensibility. The Rich don't give a sh** because they can always capitalise on the "pot of gold" (TAX)....just leaves the middle class to fight for the little bit of dignity we have left.... Fortunately,Tony Abbott (even though still another politician) is fighting for sobriety....or is he? Unfortunately, the "sheep of the world" who vote according to the colour of the "How to Vote card" skew opinion away from what is required for proper government....we must REBUILD our NATION! Labour under Jul-liar are money and opportunity wasters trying to sell our butts in a desperate attempt to stay alive politically! What disaster will they come up with next, heaven help us! As for the Greens, serve them with cheese and wine, I wish they would run back to the bottom of the garden with the gnomes...they are safe there and cannot stuff things up!