Getting rid of carbon tax a 'simple' process, says Abbott

Can you ask Mr Abbott if IPART will reduce the power bill increases as part of his carbon tax reform, seeing as IPART is independent.

Good. Bring on an election.

The words of a statesman or just more rhetoric! Power costs (18-20%) to rise across the country. It requires positive actions to save the Australians from the real effects of this cancerous tax. A Price on Carbon of $2-5/tonne would have stimulated the need to conserve energy and give the energy industry the parameters for change. The community and country would have the time to adjust..... the mechanism has future merit but to turn the energy industry on it's head is just ludicrous! What ever happened to using kid gloves? Let's see if Tony Abbott can get the runs on the board before we count our chickens... put some solid policy in place to take these Labour drongos to the table, at the moment the Libs are just seen as whiners nipping at the heels of dying Labour .. be a leader, Lead Tony Lead.

Kermit you are spot on, getting red of this tax is a must, and the same for this pack of idiots in the Labor party. Only thing that has to change by legislation is the all should be made accountable for their promises.

A major assumption by some, in this debate is that Tony Abbott knows what he is talking about re the Carbon Tax, (ie doom and gloom). A recent analysis of 10 American states that committed to a similiar reduction of Carbon emissions as Australia, http://www.skepticalscience.com/carbon-pricing-alarmists-disproven-by-rggi.html and showing equal or better in most cases response of those states to the American recession, really does throw doubt on that assertion so as time goes on, these and other similiar reports will show that there is no substance to Tony's rave. One should recall also that now several major countries, including China and South Korea, both major trading partners, as also is Europe, have instituted Carbon Taxes, and doubtless, even if some small inconveniences may be reported, - possibly balanced by Quality of Life factors, - the Hysterical rant of the Tony Abbotts of the world will be continued to be totally disproved. Whilst Julia may be ousted for daring new things, or making mistakes, or just being a woman, it does not follow that the Australian Voters will all be hypnotised enough to give him control of a Senate containing no hated Julia, no proof for his hatred, and possible Trade sanctions for carbon irresponsible nations. Whilst it was imprudent for a majority of Queenslanders to give total control to whats his name? it is not necessarily the case that Australia, which unlike Qld.has an Upper House, so has a period of time between the 'get the bitch" and "So who is this now his promises are going to be tested" will react the same way, - in fact it is unlikely so I interpret those Abbott assertions as part of his "vote for me because I am wonderful" nonsense.

As the world changes from the importance of people to money the system of governing people has changed dramatically, people have become disposable tools of trade. I have studied Australian politics for some years now. Little by little real statesmen (Sir Robert Menzies) were replaced by lawyers and other non-productive, faceless people. This took effect around 1980-85, degenerating into a political machine of career politicians....the people who choose politics as a profession not representation of the people by the people. We are now far removed from the original democratic structure where the people representing us were "real people", people who were successful industry leaders, those wishing to make a difference in the interest of improving Australia for the people. If you can run a medium size business you can run a country, it just has a bigger budget and more employees and beneficiaries. When we see people like Malcolm Turnbull come through the ranks, instantly one sees a glowing light, at last someone with intelligence and a track record of success in business. But we see these people slowly but surely stripped down, cut off at the knees, usually from inside the party because they no longer fit the new party line....these people seek solutions; not the glory! How can we return to a successful government system or is it too late to recover? Where we praise a politician for his statesmanship and not seek remove another disaster.

The opposition, led by Mr Abbott, is too gutless to declare the facts as they know them; climate science has been systemically corrupted; it is invalid. Consequently Labor's Carbon Tax AND the Liberal's Direct Action policy are BOTH based on the same set of lies. Any policy based on invalid science is invalid. More and more Australians know that climate science is invalid. What will they do? They can't vote for Labor. They can't vote for the Libs. They will definitely not vote Green. This is looking good for the Nationals and those minor parties who have the courage to declare the truth. The make-up of the Senate after the next Federal Election will be fascinating. As to the Lower House, the first major party to declare the truth “Climate Science is invalid” wins the most Lower House seats and government.

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It is very plain to see some of these comments are coming from people that don't run a company, and also don't get their facts right , Yes China has a small carbon tax system for all emission companies most are Government owned so they are exempt, and the cost 70 Yuan a ton = a little over a $1 a ton, and the money goes into Government funds for finding ways to reduce its emissions,They use a better system a reward system for reduction to all companies not a penalty.I have JV companies over there and it works well. no bullshit like these idiots here. As for Toscamasters comment have you considered going for one possibly in Antarctica.

Only a thorough and knowledgeable disproof all the findings of the IPCC by a large group of at least as well educated and qualified people as in the IPCC would allow anyone to make that silly claim of Toscamaster, and I don't mean self proclaimed "experts' like that fool Lord Monckton, or just a couple of scientists who "disagree" with one finding or another, I mean lots of careful peer reviewed papers by well educated folk who understand global weather patterns, geography, history etc. - not tricking people into voting some one into power on the mistaken concept that so voting will stop global warming, - as King Canute found when he commanded the tide to not come in. At the moment, the mounting evidence of gradually increasing world average temperatures, and the better and better understanding of the mechanisms causing it and slowing it, is impossible for any sensible person to ignore. Proclaiming "Climate Science is invalid" is simply wishful thinking by a Denier being backed into a corner. What is not forgivable however is the danger that such people will risk our grandchildren by their clinging to old ways.

I am sorry Geoff, but your comments do not match reality. The climate changes taking place are linked to the developments by mankind; agreed. Natural phenomena like volcanic eruptions dilute any climate change theory into insignificance. In 1991, the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines, the second-largest eruption of the 20th century (much larger than Eyjafjallajökull, Iceland), sent a sulfuric acid haze into the stratosphere, reducing global average temperatures about 0.05 degree Celsius over the next year. Mankind's contribution to global warming is significant; agreed, however global warming and natural earth processes have been in progress since the big bang...we either learn to live with them or leave! More importantly than death by carbon dioxide, man is eating himself to extinction, the global population has reached critical mass (7+ billion and growing); unsustainable. World Governments should be addressing the breeding/longevity problem and develop ways of feeding/supporting the masses; starve or choke the choice is ours. If you care to research, we reached our capacity to feed the world population in early 2000, since then we have been in deficit. It is time to address something we CAN solve, now that would be clever! Growing food with less resources will create more jobs not deplete them! Legislate the greedy supermarket chains killing our food industry; NOT carbon. A push to increase our food production and scientific capabilities to export more food would solve the bigger issues (our rice industry does this well, exporting over 80% of the crop).... however, this does nothing to make our Gina rich, she just LOVES carbon!...Climate Change theory is linked to energy wealth. The real driving force behind this phenomena is carbon credits; mankind and sustainability do not matter. Al Gore never made it in politics, but his Climate Change theory has contributed to his wealth from banking, oil and now CARBON CREDITS...a nice little insurance policy !

Why is it that for some reason that if you run a company, somehow you are some kind of expert at everything? It is simplistic crap, so get off your soapbox Alfred A Arnold Managing Director of ACI Conglomerated International Limited blah blah blah. people like you make me want to puke. all you care about is what's in it for me, how much can i make and who can i gouge next for some more of that filfy lucre. currently you seem to be doing quite well with your JV's in China, exploiting slave labour, and paying $1 a tonne for carbon. so what is the problem if you pay full tick for carbon here in Australia, you probably only warehouse anyway, couple of hundred light bulbs i guess and a few electric roller doors wont put you in the "break the Bank" category. climate change is a fact, that we need to do something about it is undeniable and we need to start somewhere. leadership is something you should know about being a Managing Director of a Conglomerated Limited Multinational Corporation, and that is what Australia is doing at the moment, Leading. For our future survival and that of our children. NOTHING is more important than that.

You are dead right, but I do it to keep arsholes like you in a job,go and vote for your destructive Labor party, as for warehousing I have nothing here it all going to be sent to the poor in S/Africa and here to if we keep on this track, it is blindless idiots like you that got this country into it mess.grow up and look at the trees.

John, it is natural for people who have no ambition for leadership to make these comments. Until you have a real purpose and a responsibility for the lives of others you do not appreciate the depth and complexity of government and the mechanisms that affect commerce and change. Those who have these attributes are usually the ones who care about the big picture and are not just "nit pickers". Take care when you insert the knife that it does not cut your hand!

Kermit , I thank you. It is nice to see that there are others that care, I love my country and will fight to the end to make it safe and self sustaining, but I get very wild when I see illiterate left wingers try their hardest to destroy us in the name of politics,They are a bunch of Union trained politicians that have no idea of the real world, I would love to see this idiot use his own money,and time and risk everything to build a future.

Gentlemen, I appreciate and am enjoying the debate, just a reminder to try and keep the language g-rated and respectful, no matter how strongly you may disagree with each other's views. Many thanks Chris

it's funny that, no ambition? i started a manufacturing business from scratch in 1989, growing it to what it is today employing 17 people, investing millions of dollars in infrastructure and capital equipment over the last twenty or so years, left winger indeed. don't ever question my patriotism Alf.

Dear Kermit, I agree with much of the latter of your post, although I am not sure about the relationship to Tony Abbotts claim, however the first item, claiming Volcanoes, - which after all have been erupting for millions of years, so are not going to change the average, do not normally expel Carbon, and even sulphuric acid is highly soluble in water so will be removed with the first mist or rain. generally speaking. Volcanoes are not going to change the climate for the above 2 reasons. - And Al Gore got to be vice pres. in America, a long way from where I expect to get at 63 yrs old with my 20 yrs struggling business designing, supplying and installing Renewable Energy Systems, - mainly stand-alone, - so I do work every day at solving the problem, and hard to find the money for the last phone bill, (life is good though) but to the topic, the Volcano myth is in the last stage of dismissal, Tony will not be able to use it, - you don't have to be a labour voter to understand that there is no carbon, generally speaking, in Igneous, (ie lava) rock. Sure, there are too many people, do we ask for volunteers to leave? or try to solve the problem caused by too many people? - ie try to tread more lightly on the earth! Tony Abbott does not address that problem, to a small extent a Carbon Tax does attempt to so do, and no doubt there are many other possibilities also to so do, but will the debate and particularly the spin between the political parties allow that?

Interesting, I will tell the next volcano I see to stop what it's doing or I will Tax it...I bet that will stop from spewing sulphur and carbon dioxide; instantly...please do not be silly! The reason you are causing negative comments is your inference to credibility within the Labour party. Of course any logical, intelligent person is going to shake a stick at you...rather obvious I would suggest. As far as Toy Abbot is concerned you will note from my earlier comments that my preference is for a statesman and not a faceless politician....the discussion is about policy and carbon tax....and since when has any form of "fining" (TAXING) people for using an oven to cook a meal caused anything other than grief and hardship. I think you should take a good hard look at the motives for the new TAX and NOT Global Warming theory...that is only a smoke screen my friend!

Hi Kermit, I live in a Volcanic area, the soil is all broken down Basalt, - there is no Carbon in Basalt, nor in Granite, the other major eruptive material. Volcanoes usually erupt in areas where the Earth's crust is cracked so deeper high temperature material can escape, - it would only have excessive carbon in it if it came up through an eg. coal deposit, and then only in the area of the actual vent, - even if all the volcanos in the world were to come up in a coal deposit, (not likely because not usually in active tectonic areas) one place such as the Latrobe valley would equal the total annual carbon expulsion of all Earth's volcanoes. Maybe your silly stick shaking friend has found a volcano spewing diamonds, which we know are the hardest form of Carbon, but plenty of research exists which when averaged estimate carbon dioxide emissions from Volcanoes less than 1 percent of Human activities, and they (Volcanoes) have always been doing it. So even though Tony Abbott is in your and my opinion a faceless politician, that does not mean that he will be able to get rid of the carbon tax easily, - because the facts are against him, and logical intelligent folk are going to know that, or if they don't, can when motivated do their homework, and will find all these fallacies propounded by the rich who do not want change, and therefore deny Global Warming. (as you might consider doing your self vs a vs volcanoes- try http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php ) Sulphur is another matter, has nothing to do with the above argument, and you can realise that if you calmly look at the facts. Whether Taxing/Fining people for using carbon, drinking alcohol whilst driving, running red lights or any other social disorder works, is a matter of opinion, - usually folk stop doing things when they have to pay, whether they do it out of sudden realisation of the good of the world or just out of dreary old selfishness, it works. Other suggestions welcome, but no real ones are likely from Tony Abbott, just more spin. Can he trust that no-one will notice?

I always thought Kermit was green, wasn't he?

Actually Geoff, Kermit is a mammal of many colours including large patches of GREEN....before we end up in a rhetorical slanging match I would like you to take 2 hours to watch the following link: "Esoteric Adenda" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJiCU6Jw0Co and then report back to me....are you one of the 87% of people on this planet or the 13%...your future comments will provide the answer. (???) Then we can continue the discussion on Climate Change theory and whether this discussion is valid or not...whether Liberal, Labour, the Greens or Nationals are the right people to dictate policy!

Hi Kermit, I am sure that if your understanding is really understood, you will be able to explain to me, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, your arguments. I am happy for you to contact me personally on wind@iig.com.au to further your case, and to leave this Tony Abbott discussion to those like myself dealing with the items as important for our children's children's (ie our grand children, whom we unrepentantly love) future. I seem to be only able to speak for one 7billionth of the human race, enough to be able to speak. On the other hand, clear thoughts speak to everyone able and willing to think. No Criticism of you, Geoff.

Alfred, if pollies were accountable that would be an interesting world indeed. I often wonder what these clowns do when they go to a real job. Imagine sitting at the board table, being reminded of your statements, and blaming the past exec for your failures. Hmmmm

I agree ,would it also be great if they could live in a real world and listen to the trees or at least read these comments.