| 5/06/2012 10:50
Carbon Dixoide Tax = Labor/Green's socialism/communism
| 5/06/2012 11:51
This is the best news we have heard in ages - that Ju-liar is not fooling anyone with her "quasi tax" on everybody but this is only her constituents & taxpayers that she represents so we know this will fall on "deaf ears "
| 5/06/2012 14:50
Meanwhile we have the recurring newsworthy story (per SBS World News last night) proclaiming the popularity of Rudd over Gillard, which is then supplemented by the inconsequential and irrelevant popularity of Turnbull over Abbott. Such a findings of Turnbull's popularity are also very much at odds with his advocacy for an ETS and the findings of this poll.
| 5/06/2012 15:22
What the people want is of no consequence to Gillard and Co as they have their Labor Party agenda and that's what gets priority and of course Labor's REAL families.
| 6/06/2012 10:27
For one who initially voted against the carbon tax, but recently changed when realising that it wasn’t really as much about reducing carbon pollution. But much more “social wealth redistribution”, tax deduction for the low income earners and gouging more of our nations resource profit away from increased foreign ownership. I find the quoted poll’s overwhelming reported public rejection of the carbon tax and preference for the Coalition to subsequently totally unravel it, contrary to my casual perception and assessment. As disappointing as it may sound to fellow commentators! My initial response was: By Jove! They must’ve polled Coalition party members or Abbott’s parliamentary Cabinet and families? Or perhaps a subtle, generous sprinkling of reliably distorting sympathisers? I hope not. Anyway, it got me thinking about this often mentioned influential group. That “inform and deepen the debate about international policy in Australia” and " aims to provide fresh insights into international events and a new way to engage with the Institute". Whatever that means, but more importantly with such international! international mission statement and emphasis. What’s it doing with seemingly “non (bi)partisan” local political polling and potential agitation? For anyone expecting to see a “broad spread” of Australian views, backgrounds influencing public opinion. The composition and background of the board, staff and contributors is an eye opening abundance of business success, power, money, bureaucratic and big end representation. A recipe to skew from mean opinion and outlook? If you equate their high academic and business backgrounds to a sport. Monty Python might well have concluded “they’re all cricketers”! Despite their names not all being Bruce! Objectivity, where’s the Aussie “welcome slant” from the all important Aussie Trade Union representative, the miner, the school teacher, the welfare worker, the tradie, the policeman, the clerk, the artist, the farmer, the overt lesbian, the indigenous person, your surviving digger and dare I mention the all informed and conversant Taxi Driver etc? Considering this renowned group is not claiming an enlightened recommendation nor benevolent strategy here, but arguably influentially commenting on “what Australians feel and want”, of their “future” government. Credible assessment? Sense the big end biased drift of inappropriateness? Frankly, if the “elite thinkers” in residence and true conservatives were seriously concerned about the cynicism and the impact of negative productivity taxes such as the over stated, minnow current Carbon Tax. They’d be more outspoken about the cumulative “Dig Daddy” of them all. The economic super dampener and indiscriminate, “lowdown” GST? Which the fancied Wayward Government deceitfully, flippantly promised would miraculously “save the economy” by eliminating all messy indirect taxes and cure all other worldly ills etc. Pity it stupidly didn’t even anticipate the loss of sales and devastation to local producers and retailers from exempt foreign internet sales! In reality it was ill-conceived, discarded Labour, gutter policy, opportunistically, shamefully revamped to crudely balance budgetary incompetence and recklessly beef up and sustain continued wasteful state spending and thereby treacherously tie and jerk the financial noose around the neck of ordinary Australians for years to come! They should come and investigate what this bright, “Johnny come a waltzing a wayward with me” Policy, has allowed the even more wayward and irresponsible state Labour spendthrifts to stoop to in our now non AAA rated , little old Backward, Bottom of the Barrel States. So much for the solution to all future financing problem that most eagerly swallowed. Notwithstanding, this omnipresent, aggressive GST remains the primary reason why the non resource and non- Government associa
| 7/06/2012 07:26
Obviously Lou doesnt have much to do other than to write crap!!
It is undeniable that Howard and Costello were the best team Australia has ever had in Government!!
| 7/06/2012 10:45
Lou, life is short, so I'll limit my response to your first five lines. These survey results reflect the fact that most Australians nominally voted against the carbon tax at the last election. Telling us you voted against the carbon tax, tells us very little given that both major parties and many minor ones proclaimed a "no carbon tax" position. So effectively you're saying you didn't vote Green. That proposition is difficult to believe given your generally confused logic which follows. You apparently seem pleased to have been misled on the purpose of the carbon tax. You apparently approve of the hijacking of science by politics, for wealth redistribution purposes. You don't like foreign investors profiting from our natural resources, but you're quite content to send billions of dollars of Australia's wealth into foreign carbon markets, in exchange for carbon merit certificates, based on science which you acknowledge has been misrepresented. Fortunately for you Lou, similar perspectives are shared by two of our most prominent political parties, though some have doubts about their longevity after the next Federal election.
| 7/06/2012 23:07
Hello Jason! It might appear from your short sharp response. That your not a time waster and possibly into efficient time management, rather than jerky half liner political wisdom. Sadly, judging by your misguided exaltation of the overrated, grovelling monarchic, long term Liberal Leader you mention, you’re neither! Because if you’d been concerned with time wasting. You’d have stuck to the Polling subject matter and explained what these high powered “thing tanks” are doing bothering with petty polls that few believe, months before elections? Surely, we’d all be better off, if they utilised their expertise, power and knowledge to help solve the country’s major problems? Some panellists have such exquisite departmental and company titles, that even the late Sir Nigel Hawthorne would have trouble explaining! So why not purely concentrate on high level political and economic Issues. Tell me why they need to dabble in simple day to day public opinion polling that a Mumbai call centre could probably handle much cheaper?
Embarrassingly for the negative Coalition. It seems that unravelling this all important carbon “tax will instantly solve all our problems and cure all known ills”. Just like your conning heroes John Wayward and Treasurer Pete told us when they deceitfully introduced their signature GST!. Absolute Coalition Bullshit! That so many suckers happily swallowed at the time . Thereby, disgracefully making us the only nation on earth that dopily, knowingly “nearly” voted in a nasty Consumption Tax! What a Clever, Clever Country? And you’d put him on a holy pedestal ? Skittles for bowling anyone? A Wayward Dirty Tax Legacy that even the Greenie Bob Brown never wanted a bar off! And now the same hypocrites are pretending to be devastated at the possibility of this relatively sissy $23/Tonne carbon Tax. What a Joke! How can anyone be happy to be part of this deception. Some of these Coalition drama queens should follow their true calling into the theatre. Especially those, already proven to wear fish net stockings well.
| 7/06/2012 23:55
Yassu Bill! Yes life is short! But a day is a long time if you know how to enjoyably manage it. And from frequent observation of other’s mistakes, it’s better to spend an hour thoroughly addressing the facts and getting your measurements right. Than, one minute of rash, foolish pissing the wrong direction into the wind and getting your expensive Armani pants and shoes soaking wet, then having to go through the rigmarole of explaining and fixing the unexpected messy cock- up. You’d understand that! Anyway, to allay your confusion, this “turn coat” conservative, begrudgingly voted Liberal by default, purely because I was extremely “pissed off” with the performance of now popular again, wasteful K. Dudd.& Co An amazing voter awareness and solidarity turnaround, all because he was rightfully given the flick by his back stabbing mates! Doesn’t it make the “astutely caring ” Australian voters a fascinating lot! Since then however, an unimpressive Abbott, amateurish Coalition front bench, continued convoluted decoy nonsense on carbon tax, instead of far more important Issues and in particular failure to commit to the Car Industry support package, have made Julia’s now more cohesive Labour, a better proposition. Importantly, you’ve selectively missed my main argument in questioning the logistics of this polling article as explained to Jason. Seeing life is so short, haven’t all these high powered “Think Tank Professionals” got better, more challenging things to urgently contribute, other than trivia polls, months before the election, on whether more or less people want Dudd back to replace Julia etc. Gods Forbid another Return! I’d be ashamed to admit strong support for any from the current political circus, because none have any real solution to fixing the overall economy and making our industries competitive again! Finally, the Greeks similarly say “Live life for today, Vre!”. But if they took a bit more critical time and interest in what their “sus” political leaders had been up to. They wouldn’t be in the financial and political mess they’re in today, and coincidentally they wouldn’t make Wayne Swann look so good!. And perhaps they’d still have the Euros or is it “Born Again new, New Drachma” that they need today , to enjoy themselves, today! Cheers Lou.
| 8/06/2012 09:40
Lou, Spain which has a much bigger economy than Greece's, is not far behind in its own economic turmoil. They have 25% unemployment and 50% youth unemployment, substantially due to their renewables investments and yet Mr Combet tells us Spain's green economy is a model we should follow. Meanwhile a few doors down Mr Swan is writing out a $7 billion cheque of money we don't have, to assist with the EU/IMF Spanish bailout. Do you see where we're headed with this? I'd suggest spending a little less time spent analysing Abbott and watching out for the train crash ahead. If we don't change the driver sooner rather than later, it may very well be too late, by the time it is Mr Abbott's turn.
| 9/06/2012 10:51
Bill, I must say, with Hellenic sounding name and Armani suit, I thought you’d be smarter than to link Spain’s current economic woes primarily to their advanced development of renewable energy. Despite them still having predominantly non-renewable energy sourced, including 8 working Nuclear reactors.
Spain’s current problems mimic other economically below par, lack of growth countries with heavy dependence on manufacturing and tourism, weighed down by high wages, generous middle-class subsidies, complex regulations, aggressive taxes, a “hasta manana” laid back ethos and poor Government. Just like Australia! apart from minerals and the farms we sell. Theirs is further aggravated by massive real estate boom collapse and decline in the market competitiveness due to rising social standards and significant increase in wages. To boot they’ve up to 14 public holidays per year! So Amigo! Rather than your “renewables argument”. Don’t you suspect that sangria and siesta daily, unless they’re out fighting the Bull, might be the problem?
On the EU/IMF contribution. Don’t tell me Abbott wouldn’t similarly contribute billions to continue supporting international incompetence and wastage and “help avert world crisis”? Historically, Australia has always “bipartisanly at beck and call” rushed in with Money, Lives and Support in wars and disasters, regardless of merit or logic. It’s part of the “Australian Fabric”! As requested, bypassing “Abbott analysis” to philosophically concentrate on your doomed “the train crash ahead. If we don't change the driver” mis-example. Be reminded that your fast moving train is captive to the track and if the catastrophic end you fear is destined ahead. Then even changing driver a dozen times is useless. If all they incompetently want to do is blow the train “Woo Woo Woo whistle” and listen to the “CHOO CHOO” noise, instead of properly operating the brakes and firing down the boiler. So the difference between our approach is that, whereas you’d panic and frantically change the drivers, vainly hoping for better. I’d calmly, instructively persevere with the whip and give him some real stirring Woo Woo and Choo Choo alright!, until the slack bastard properly did what he’s more than well paid to do! So rather than your wimpy Wayward ways, be more inspired by the really Great Aussie, Don Chipp of “Keep the Bastards (Truly) Honest Fame”. After all, it’s not string theory or rocket science were asking of these Canberrans, is it? Cheers. Lou!
PS. Refresh your facts by looking up:wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain and /European_sovereign-debt_crisis. Etc.
| 10/06/2012 01:09
Hi Lou, if it's honesty in government you're after, then I expect we'll see you at one of the country wide "No carbon tax" rallies on the 1st of July. If not, be careful not jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.
| 11/06/2012 10:47
Bill, we’re off the subject! Nevertheless, Thanks for your challenge invitation. But boisterous, solidarity rallies are best left to Unionist’s, Greenies, Gays etc. and others feeling un-empowered to vent off placebo steam. They never change my pre- assessed opinion. If a nice day, I’d be tempted to socially attendt. But I’d embarrass, with placards like “ STOP GOV WASTE”/”REPEAL GST” and ”TALK ABOUT MONGREL HONESTY”/ “WHERE’S MY WAYWARD PROMISED TAX CUTS” or even worse, seeing I accept Green-house gases effect Global warming. I should say “Leave the coal in the ground” where presumably the “dykeish Greenie” Mother Nature first made it. So I’d be tempted to come along chained to a large chunk of mock black coal! Anyway, what will demonstrations achieve? That lots of Aussies Oppose it! The Government already knows that, from all these polls! And nevertheless, is prepared to stake the soon forthcoming election on it. At which time the public will again have the ultimate say. So why bother, when there are far more pressing issues? Seeing, I also support the tax cuts and the extra family assistance. I adopt the rational missionary position, that if you enjoy stoking the fire*, it’s better to concentrate on the roaring hot flame, than worry about probable trivia on the mantle piece! “Undoubtedly” the coalition will dump the tax next! So my main interest is, whether Abbott or whoever, will have the balls to rescind the popular rationalised tax cuts and stand between the public and a bag of easy money? Cause the pressure will require balls of titanium steel or No Balls at all! Ahh! Fascinating Times! Sadly our entrenched, polarised, weak, wasteful economic management destines us to under-perform and remain lamentably flip flop party politics. Finally, rewarding advice for loyal perseverance. Seeing it mightn’t instinctively occur to a prudish abbot, that if you’re seeking to “pervert” this Carbon & Minerals legislation. Furbo belatedly suggests that your slow, dopey party. Concertedly, urgently track down the reliably damming “Shagging Putanas” that Craighy Boy supposedly delectably, repeatedly carnally poked his personal, union credit card clad dip stick into! And, thereby as Benny Hill might phrase, politically ejaculate “Thomo” and force your long desired massive “bi- erection”. Perhaps, adult rally demonstrators might be better utilised for the cause, if they spread out and “Brothel Club” posse crawled, to find the elusive incriminating laid back professional girls or even boys of heavy political integrity interest. Good Luck!
* Inspired by lovely local Adelaide, Greek background actress and restaurateur Chantal C.’s arousing, leggy astride vampire performance in the 1974 Classic Satire Barry Mckenzie movie.
| 12/06/2012 11:29
Lou, Labor weren't prepared to stake the last election on the carbon tax and so when you say '...the public will again have the ultimate say", you are in fact ignoring history and/or attempting to rewrite it. You also seem to ignore the Labor/Liberal flip flop revolving door history on the GST. I do agree Abbott will be challenged by the carbon tax minefields Labor has laid, so perhaps we are witnessing another revolving door re-enactment, this time, applied to the carbon tax/price/trade. If you believe that an extra 100 parts per million or 1 part per 10,000 of CO2 in the atmosphere is significant enough to overwhelm other major climate drivers and thus justify the overturning of our modern fossil fuel based civilisation, then I guess you'd be OK with that. I'm not. I take it that you like the Greens, Labor and the Libs (official position) still have faith in the science of the UN IPCC. Rather than being sidetracked by the slow motion Thomson saga, I'd suggest your attendance at an upcoming Donna Laframboise lecture being hosted by the IPA. She has recently authored a book titled "The delinquent teenager who was mistaken for the world's top climate expert" which is in reference to the UN IPCC. Please at least check out her 'amazon' reviews and become a little better informed about the "worst scientific scandal in history"* prior to walking into a voting booth.
*Quote by Dr Kiminori Itoh, contributing UN scientist.